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07 October 2007

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--- Log opened Sun Oct 07 00:00:37 2007
--- Day changed Sun Oct 07 2007
00:00 <****> node_6: do the sleep from a text console
00:00 <****> node_6: not from inside X
00:00 <****> valdyn: when my lid closes, the laptop goes to sleep
00:01 <****> node_6: once that works you know the error, there's fixes for that, www.thinkwiki.org
00:01 <****> ii linux-headers-2.6.22-2-686 2.6.22-4 Header files for Linux 2.6.22 on PPro/Celero
00:01 <****> node_6: so close it while on a text console
00:01 <****> geo-rge: OK. Debian is an OS. If you want to look at it that way, everything that uses software that is in Debian in on-topic. However, obviously, this would give many of sub-fields that are separate which would be best dealt with elsewhere. I think it is allowable for people to ask various basic questions about fundamental system services.
00:01 <****> valdyn: oh, I see. how do I make it sleep from console?
00:01 <****> geo-rge: Yes, you kept telling him he was off topic
00:01 <****> candyban: locate autoconf.h (I have it for my kernels)
00:01 <****> node_6: close the lid
00:01 <****> which you say is what, unhelpful? insulting? which? both?
00:02 <****> valdyn: and what's the correct way to switch to text mode?
00:02 <****> node_6: you can use /sys/power/state; see what options are in it, and echo one of them to it
00:02 <****> geo-rge: unhelpful, because it is wrong.
00:02 <****> hey, what do i have to add to my sources.list if i want to install testing packages?
00:02 <****> node_6: 'disk' is 'hibernate'
00:02 <****> node_6: ctrl-alt-fx switches between virtual consoles, X is usually on 7, 1-6 is text logins
00:02 <****> mentor: http://paste.debian.net/39000 # that's dailoom causing me trouble in #iptables ...
00:02 <****> valdyn: I don't have to end the X sessions, just switch to a console tty?
00:03 <****> wols_: does it require the "autoconf" package ... not sure what you want me to do with the autoconf.h
00:03 <****> node_6: right
00:03 <****> mentor: now tell me who's the trouble maker
00:03 <****> wols_: /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.22-2-686/include/linux/autoconf.h
00:03 <****> valdyn: thanks for the help :)
00:03 <****> "various basic questions about system services", so this would include the establishment of basic networking?
00:03 <****> simonrvn: I don't care. What happened in this channel, at that time is all I am dealing with
00:03 <****> candyban: no. it requires autoconf.h. different thing
00:03 <****> node_6: the black screen is probably X not restoring properly, you want to test and find out if that's it really
00:03 <****> he bitches about ethics and then proceeds to do the same thing he's accusing others of odoing
00:04 <****> simonrvn: Well, ethics are great in they apply equally whoever you are.
00:04 <****> meaning: box not on the net, figure out what driver for his net card, figure out how he connects, help him to get connected physically, make sure that works by pinging some outside address by number, establish dns
00:04 <****> If he causes trouble he will also get kicked up the arse.
00:04 <****> wols_: so what should I do with the autoconf.h file ?
00:05 <****> nothing. that it exists and is at the right place should be all you need
00:05 <****> gconf cli command to change gnome mediaplayer default from Rhythmnbox to Amarok anyone, I am seriously stuck and google provides no answers
00:05 <****> wols_: /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.22-2-686/include/linux/autoconf.h
00:05 <****> hi.... is there a tool with gui for x, to edit the keyboard in x? Say, if I want to disable the pgdwn and use shift-cursor-down
00:05 <****> mzuverink: why do you think that there's a gnome media player default?
00:05 <****> candyban: I already saw that
00:05 <****> I'd consider that to be a fundamental system service... agreed?
00:06 <****> because once he's on the net he can install packages
00:06 <****> mzuverink: ( there is no such thing in fact , but several mechanisms that are not from gnome )
00:06 <****> wols_: I suppose it's in the right spot?
00:06 <****> geo-rge: We're not an installation help desk
00:06 <****> /usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_gpio/lirc_gpio.c:65:47: error: ../drivers/media/video/bt8xx/bttv.h: No such file or directory
00:07 <****> where can I get debian sarge 3.1
00:07 <****> ?
00:07 <****> so are you saying we do not help with installations?
00:07 <****> mentor: huh? we do troubleshoot install issues constantly
00:07 <****> it's probably 50% of all talk here (the on topic one)
00:07 <****> that part I really don't understand
00:07 <****> valdyn, cause when I hit a mediaplayer key on my keyboard, it automatically opens RB, its a laptop, and I need that button to open amarok not RB. I just assumed, my error. How would I change that key action?
00:07 * mentor sighs
00:07 <****> just an
00:07 <****> "help debian can't recognize my CD when I try to isntall" is probably the most common
00:08 <****> What's the other 50%? Hello and can i ask howto install? xD
00:08 <****> wols_: woops ... missed that :) ... so, what does that mean? I have to install the bttv sources?
00:08 <****> geo-rge: You're not going to slowly lead me towards your own conclusions, because I do not agree with you. Now, I have said all that I am saying, if you don't agree, you can resort to the measures discussed earlier.
00:08 <****> in fact, I'll go out on the limb here and say "oh yes we -are- an installation help desk... so many things have gone off topic due to channel helper load issues that we do that more often than we do not!"
00:08 <****> !tell candyban about search
00:08 <****> valdyn: from console, I see the same behavior except that the black screen does not appear; instead I get a full screen of black and white vertical stripes. I think it's just a video problem because, even though I couldn't see the console, I could restart the PC via 'reboot'
00:08 <****> check where the file is, in what package. install it
00:08 <****> mzuverink: so you're on sid are you?
00:09 <****> its a sid box yes, though I am not on it now
00:09 <****> mzuverink: that's rather new i think, run gnome-default-applications-properties
00:09 <****> dpkg -S drivers/media/video/bt8xx/bttv.h
00:09 <****> dpkg: *drivers/media/video/bt8xx/bttv.h* not found.
00:09 <****> You Fool! drivers/media/video/bt8xx/bttv.h is installed!
00:09 <****> valdyn, Ill try it thanks
00:10 <****> mentor: you are leaving unclear what is allowed and what is not allowed. Now, I (and I'm sure many) do not have a clear boundary of what this channel supports and (unfortunately imo) what it does not (due, again to load issues)_
00:11 <****> geo-rge: I suggest you don't carry on
00:11 <****> node_6: read up on that at http://www.thinkwiki.org/. There's various issues and fixes, like for instance my thinkpad needs the radeonfb driver loaded for my display to restore properly, yours could be different
00:11 <****> node_6: it was a thinkpad, right?
00:11 <****> yes. t60
00:11 <****> node_6: ok then - read..
00:11 <****> wols_: not sure what you want me to do ... is the error obvious ... what am I missing?
00:11 <****> mentor: you invited me to discuss this here
00:12 <****> you are missing bttv.h obviously
00:12 <****> valdyn, on my ubuntu box it only has internet options and sys(terminal choice)Ill have to try it on my sid box when the batt is charged to see if it works
00:12 <****> thats fucked up
00:12 <****> too much on a saturday
00:12 <****> mzuverink: right, the multimedia part is new with gnome 2.20
00:12 <****> valdyn: gnome 2.20? WHERE?
00:13 <****> wols_: sid
00:13 <****> I thought it was 2.18?
00:13 <****> !info gnome-control-center sid
00:13 <****> oh well, what do I care anyways :)
00:13 <****> gnome-control-center: (utilities to configure the GNOME desktop), section gnome, is optional. Version: 1:2.20.0.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 609 kB, Installed size: 1532 kB
00:13 <****> !info gnome sid
00:13 <****> gnome: (The GNOME Desktop Environment, with extra components), section gnome, is optional. Version: 1:2.18.3.1 (sid), Packaged size: 13 kB, Installed size: 44 kB
00:14 <****> wols_: still not complete, but his issue is related to gnome-control-center anyway
00:14 <****> valdyn, any idea how to do it in 2.19? I have the same problem with this box, though you dont have to help me with this one since its an Ubuntu box and this is not an Ubuntu channel
00:14 <****> mixing and matching gnome versions work?
00:15 <****> wols_: debian gnome maintainers take care of deps..
00:15 <****> valdyn, the machines in question are twin HP laptops, one w/ sid and one w/ feisty
00:15 <****> wols_: s/deps/verioned deps/
00:15 <****> mzuverink: that's probably gnome 2.18. It doesn't have that tab

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