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10 October 2007

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--- Log opened Wed Oct 10 00:00:00 2007
--- Day changed Wed Oct 10 2007
00:00 <****> pale_blue: it should be pretty clean to do. You don't have a strange network card that changes mac address on every boot, do you?
00:00 <****> nope. i replaced a netgear (tulip driver) with a 3com 3c905c card. nothing special.
00:00 <****> pale_blue: if you've only got one network card, it should just be delete all the entries (or remove the file) and reboot
00:00 <****> peterS: ooh i see, and -s has a "primary" version which when deleted breaks others
00:00 <****> two cards. it's a NAT box.
00:00 <****> if I wanted to update the kernel in etch to something more recent than 2.6.18 how would I go about it?
00:01 <****> infinity0: you can think of it that way. in reality, the two kinds of links are not at all related, the fact that both are called "links" and both are created with "ln" is kind of an accident
00:01 <****> pale_blue: ahh.. that makes it slightly more complicated, but it's still not so bad. There are plenty of worse things that one can do...
00:02 <****> peterS: right ok, wel thanks for that :) i'll go read up on it
00:02 <****> indeed. i've done far worse too. :-)
00:02 <****> peterS, Assuming that i'm using Etch, is there a way for me to enable SMP?
00:03 <****> Riotblade: it's all about your kernel. if the kernel you're running wasn't built with smp support, you can't. if it was, it should be enabled without you having to do anything. 'cat /proc/version' will either have the word "SMP" in it somewhere, or it won't.
00:04 <****> damn
00:04 <****> Linux version 2.6.19.3 (root@rescue-v532) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)) #1 Mon Feb 19 11:22:17 CET 2007
00:04 <****> well, at least we know it is debian
00:04 <****> Riotblade: I'd try using a newer kernel from backports.org if the default etch one doesn't work
00:04 <****> Riotblade: isn't debian, you mean. the "debian" you see there just means someone used a Debian version of gcc to build it
00:05 <****> ah
00:05 <****> jelly-home, mind providing me a direct link to the repository? I'm lost in a maze :P
00:05 <****> somebody on a machine named 'rescue-v532' built the kernel as root, on 19 Feb, somewhere in Europe (the CET is a timezone in Europe).
00:05 <****> beyond that, I don't know where the kernel came from (:
00:06 <****> Riotblade: I'd have to navigate the site just like you
00:08 <****> Riotblade: the instructions link points to a page with a deb ... line for sources.list
00:08 <****> Okay, thanks
00:09 <****> How would I get a list through apt?
00:09 <****> Sorry, I'm pretty new
00:09 <****> Riotblade: after adding that line in /etc/apt/sources.list and doing apt-get update you can do eg. apt-cache search linux-image-2.6
00:11 <****> correct me if I'm wrong, but how would you know if it's from etch-backports
00:11 <****> Riotblade: for one thing, all packages will have 'bpo' in their version numbers (that means "backports.org")
00:12 <****> Nothing with bpo shows up
00:12 <****> Where can I find a kernel 2.4 smp repository?
00:12 <****> jelly-home: the backports.org factoid gives a line for the sources.list
00:13 <****> I have a sarge 3.1 and I cant update to etch
00:13 <****> I need a kernel smp with 2.4
00:13 <****> edwin_quijada: you can get one from sarge. etch only ships 2.6 kernels
00:13 <****> edwin_quijada: why can't you use a 2.6 one? shitty closed source drivers?
00:13 <****> edwin_quijada: sarge has 2.4 kernels with smp in them.
00:14 <****> Riotblade: there is nothing newer than 2.6.18 in etch, so it would obviously be from the backports
00:14 <****> wols: i cant use 2.6
00:14 <****> edwin_quijada: why?
00:14 <****> cause while etch will still work with 2.4, lenny won't
00:14 <****> this is a old server and doesnt work with 2.6
00:14 <****> when it is uncompressing freeze
00:14 <****> jelly-home, so "linux-image-2.6.22-2-686 - Linux 2.6.22 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4
00:15 <****> would be from backports?
00:15 <****> Riotblade: apt-cache policy linux-image-2.6.22-2-686
00:15 <****> Riotblade: or from sid
00:15 <****> jelly-home: that 2.6.19 kernel doesn't have the -abi-arch args in it so it's not from a debian package.
00:15 <****> yup, it is
00:15 <****> thanks, i'll try that one
00:15 <****> themill: I knows
00:16 <****> jelly-home: ok, just checking :) can I pm you?
00:16 <****> themill: sure
00:17 <****> jelly, http://rafb.net/p/G8KPRf96.html If I want to have 2.6.22 be default what do I have to modify?
00:17 <****> Last two times i've modified grub, I either screwed up or kernel was unable to be read
00:17 <****> Riotblade: don't screw up? :-)
00:17 <****> Riotblade: nothing
00:18 <****> nothing?
00:18 <****> Riotblade: you should only need to dpkg -i it and update-grub will set it as default
00:19 <****> Updating /boot/grub/menu.lst ... done
00:19 <****> this "debian default" kernel thing is not debian default, is it?
00:19 <****> but the vmlinuz I think is the original and from what I understand, it reads from top one first?
00:19 <****> at least I've never seen my etch installer create it
00:19 <****> it's _someone's_ default :-)
00:19 <****> can someone explain why I'd need backports?
00:20 <****> Nihill: if you don't know, you don't.
00:20 <****> jelly-home: if he edited his menu.lst before on his own, he can continue to do it
00:20 <****> i'm pretty sure grub points to "someone's kernel" right now :P
00:20 <****> Guerin: not quite true
00:20 <****> Last two times i've modified grub, I either screwed up or kernel was unable to be read
00:20 <****> i'll just try rebooting anyways
00:20 <****> !bpo
00:20 <****>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free
00:21 <****> wols: of course it is.
00:21 <****> Nihill: if you needed some feature in a newer version of some software, but that version is too recent to have been included in debian stable
00:21 <****> Guerin: claiming "of course" about the truth of a subjective opinion is a bit silly. :)
00:21 <****> sombedoy has insttalled 2.6 kernel in Proline 2500
00:21 <****> with debian
00:22 <****> 2 PII processors
00:22 <****> why?
00:22 <****> Yup, it's still booting to the original
00:22 <****> abrotman: isn't that always the question?
00:23 <****> themill: well .. he's not really a font of knowledge eh ?
00:23 <****> jelly-home, what's the point of lines 5,6, and 7
00:23 <****> not sure if I should remove those
00:23 <****> Riotblade: it's the first kernel entry.
00:23 <****> why is it in a different format and is it safe to remove?
00:24 <****> abrotman: "why would you" and "why are you telling us this" both spring to mind...
00:24 <****> Riotblade: it's not in different format.
00:24 <****> dkr: it's not subjective at all. You might need *something* but you don't necessarily need *backports*.
00:24 <****> themill: see .. no more info .. problem(?) solved
00:24 <****> jelly-home, safe to remove though? since I have other entries on the bottom?
00:24 <****> Riotblade: simplest thing to do is to change which entry is the default
00:25 <****> abrotman: damn you're good... solving problems as fast as they come in to #d and in just 4 characters ;)
00:25 <****> jelly-home, and which line is that set?
00:25 <****> Riotblade: the first one. the entries are numbered counting from 0
00:25 <****> ah
00:25 <****> themill: my efficiency is unrivaled!

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