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12 October 2007

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--- Log opened Fri Oct 12 00:00:00 2007
--- Day changed Fri Oct 12 2007
00:00 <****> abrotman, i think id fall under testing... not unstable...
00:00 <****> i'm out, later all
00:01 <****> hello
00:01 <****> s4xxon: when did you do that dist-upgrade?
00:01 <****> 3 months ago, since then i wasnt using my computer
00:01 <****> what are minimal hardware requirements for etch
00:01 <****> ?
00:01 <****> now i wanted to upgrade the packages that i have allready installed, and i got those 300+ packages to upgrade
00:01 <****> s4xxon: testing is a moving target. There will be new/update packages almost every day.
00:01 <****> my netinst disc freeze on boot
00:02 <****> !tell s4xxon about testing
00:03 <****> abrotman, hehe, the ubuntu guys just bounced me back into here, saying that i should do debian testing... i think thats my next step
00:03 <****> valdyn: chroot? i don't know enough about it. where can i learn about what you're suggesting?
00:03 <****> !chroot
00:03 <****> from memory, chroot is a way to change the root directory of a process, see also http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-chroot
00:03 <****> !debootstrap
00:03 <****> Useful for installing in a chroot. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap, or key to Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System. See to the release specific Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide for more details.
00:04 <****> DawnLight: debootstrap is in debian, no need to compile anything
00:04 <****> themill, honestly those links dont really answer to my question
00:04 <****>lenny .. have fun
00:04 <****> abrotman, thanks
00:04 <****> uhm .. and they go in that order :)
00:05 <****> wow the distro names are stranger then ubuntu's... who would have thought
00:05 <****> winge-d_angel: and stuff in debian may not be as automagic as ubuntu .. so be prepared for some manual intervention
00:05 <****> winge-d_angel: /msg dpkg toy story
00:05 <****> s4xxon: what's your question? "why are there so many packages to upgrade?" or "how do I upgrade them?"
00:05 <****> why are they being kept back although i try to upgrade those packages, its normal after 3 months to have so many packages to be upgraded
00:06 <****> are sarge repo's closed? I can't apt get anything on my sarge box.
00:06 <****> abrotman, being in gentoo has prepared me for all the hard manual cmd line work in the world :-D worry not
00:06 <****> valdyn, changing repo didnt help
00:06 <****> abrotman, and thanks again
00:06 <****> s4xxon: you were told the answer: dist-upgrade... but you don't like that answer. That's why I gave you more information about what testing is... so you know why that is the correct answer.
00:06 <****> valdyn, had to delete everything in var/lib/apt/lists/
00:07 <****> thought that this is needed just once, when going from stable to testing ,
00:07 <****> just read the same under: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/69
00:07 <****> s4xxon: you were also told to man apt-get or man aptitude as to why that is necessary.
00:18 <****> how do i make sure that eth1 is brought up on every boot?
00:19 <****> dto: /etc/network/interfaces
00:19 <****> !interfaces
00:19 <****>
00:19 <****> ah! :-)
00:22 <****> would anyone like to see a screenshot of my new debian system?
00:22 <****> yes, screenshots are always nice
00:23 <****> a screenshot!
00:24 <****> one moment
00:24 <****> i love screenshots
00:26 <****> If I have files that are accessible by anyone, and i edit the rights so that only root can access them, what happens if i try to reach them from windows?
00:26 <****> Hi! I have been running a few servers for a while, which I and my friends use. I think I have got the hang of it, and I want to try and run a publically accessible shell server, where people can create an account (i'll write some kind of app for that) and snoop around. Is there any documentation available on securing debian enough for random people to have access to it?
00:28 <****> doubleCow: i'd like to think it is already secure enough for that. perhaps there is already such an app
00:28 <****> doubleCow: One way would be to use chroot
00:28 <****> zicho: How are you trying to reach them from windows?
00:29 <****> zicho: if you are dual-booting windows and windows can read your linux partition, then windows can access these files
00:29 <****> does windows have support for ext3 these days?
00:29 <****> yes
00:29 <****> yay
00:29 <****> ext2 at least
00:29 <****> ext2 actually
00:29 <****> not native through, right?
00:30 <****> there is a driver
00:30 <****> gkiagia: so windows are not affected by debians file rights?
00:30 <****> eh, ext2 is good enough
00:30 <****> no journaling or uid or acls
00:30 <****> is it a stable driver?
00:30 <****> seems like it
00:30 <****> I havne't dual booted in years..
00:30 <****> windows, it seems, is a waste of time :)
00:30 <****> zicho: explain your setup, and we will be able to give a much more accurate answer
00:30 <****> wils0n__: there are decent free drivers for ext2 (www.fs-driver.org for example). There are commercial drivers for ext3 that I personally have no experience with.
00:32 <****> touch windows from linux ok, but touch linux from windows? nah, no me
00:32 <****> heelloo folks
00:32 <****> ok folks here's my screenie: http://dto.freeshell.org/images/shot.png
00:32 <****> !greet afaict
00:32 <****> Hi there, afaict
00:32 <****> zicho: windows do not know anything about posix permissions on files so they access anything if they have physical access to the partition (that is to say, not over a network or something)
00:32 <****> wils0n__: fs-driver.org explicitely states no support for ext3 features like dir_index. I've had mild filesystem corruption after I ignored the warnings in its documentation.
00:33 * themill wouldn't be seen dead letting a windoze box write to his ext partitions...
00:33 <****> dto: ooh. that looks nice. what are you running there?
00:33 <****> after the last debian upgrade using unstable I'm been warned when I type ldconfig: /usr/lib/libform.so.5 is not an ELF file - it has the wrong magic byte s at the start.
00:33 <****> bolt: GNU Emacs, stumpwm, dzen, with terminus fonts
00:33 <****> what's the command to clean up the statistics for ifconfig command output for one interface?
00:33 <****> what a geeky window manager! ;)
00:34 <****> but this isn't only with libform. it happen with libmenu, libpanel...
00:34 <****> i'm trying to create a custom debian-based distro or meta-config for this machine: http://dto.freeshell.org/notebook/KarmaPod.html
00:34 <****> Well, it's unstable, probably a bug eh.
00:34 <****> blah
00:34 <****> cafuego that's ok . but i want trace it...
00:34 <****> dto: what lets you have multiple screens?
00:34 <****> i'm building a small network of 3 debian machines.
00:34 <****> cafuego i never 'play' with ldconfig.
00:34 <****> afaict: do all the libraries come from the same package (or package source, those sound like xfce)?
00:35 <****> DawnLight: wait, can you rephrase?
00:35 * cafuego shrugs.
00:35 <****> anyway, what do people use to run little debian networks? cfengine?
00:35 <****> jelly-home the last update before this one I used one mirror. Now i had to change the mirror because the last one is closed.
00:35 <****> dto: ssh, about to give puppet a go, as cfengine is supposedly absolutely horrible.
00:35 <****> dto: the screenshot. i can see multiple programs spanning across the screen. how do you do that?
00:36 <****> afaict: do the files pass debsums?
00:36 <****> jelly-home yea

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