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21 October 2007

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--- Log opened Sun Oct 21 00:00:06 2007
--- Day changed Sun Oct 21 2007
00:00 <****> cause everyone keeps calling it debian 4.1
00:00 <****> that makes sense
00:00 <****> (not the retard thing, the other one)
00:00 <****> well, I've tried multiple CPUs (I have 3 total) and also have run the server in a dual CPU config (SMP kernel)
00:00 <****> no better
00:00 <****> I have a 40mhz sparc which is more responsive
00:00 <****> smp means anything over 1 ;)
00:01 <****> gimpy: try mkdir -p /usr/local/var/run/dbus, then /etc/init.d/dbus restart
00:01 <****> gimpy: i didnt see that bug reported yet
00:01 <****> well something's hogging it. find out. look at top again (ironically)
00:01 <****> 'lo. Anybody know how to get alt-tab in kde to work across multiple monitors?
00:01 <****> right now it only iterates the windows on the current desktop *and* current monitor
00:02 <****> rather than all windows on the current desktop
00:02 <****> simonrvn: nothing's hogging it... everything just runs slow, the server takes 15 bloody minutes to boot
00:02 <****> well long boot doesn't really mean anything
00:02 <****> hey guy, what is a good unix channel
00:03 <****> so what's the modern way to do a custom xorg compile? make World?
00:03 <****> Shadow_7: don't. :-)
00:03 <****> yes, but when top uses 30% of the CPU (as an example)
00:03 <****> now dpkg says "dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove hal which isn't installed.
00:03 <****> you know something's wrong
00:03 <****> but if i try to install/upgrade hal it gives the same error
00:03 <****> tedry: well, it's either do it or wait six months for debian to get xorg packaged good enough to support my ati card and drivers.
00:04 <****> gimpy: did restarting dbus give that error?
00:04 <****> Shadow_7: what kind of card?
00:04 <****> or wait six months for ati to release an updated driver the may or may not work.
00:04 <****> valdyn: no it just says "stopping system message bus: dbus" and "starting system message bus: dbus."
00:04 <****> this stupid fucking vista box keeps connecting at random to other peopls wireless cause I guess I saved a connection called "linksys" when my AP is a motorola
00:04 <****> radeon xpress 200M
00:04 <****> gimpy: have you tried installing the older hal?
00:05 <****> Shadow_7: a laptop chipset, right? i went through all kinds of hell to get mine to work
00:05 <****> not yet
00:05 <****> gimpy: go ahead.
00:05 <****> well, I guess this is above simonrvn and nvz's level ;)
00:05 <****> it was working. But the latest upgrade (within the past 30 days) really hosed X.
00:05 <****> hmm. i'm reading a tutorial about checkinstall but apt-get install checkinstal fails
00:05 <****> although the vesa driver seems to work alright.
00:05 <****> debian sid
00:06 <****> !info checkinstall etch
00:07 <****> valdyn: you think 0.5.8.1-9 is too far back?
00:07 <****> gimpy: i dont know which one you tried
00:07 <****> 0.5.9.1-6
00:07 <****> Or should I just say doesn't work well. There's all kinds of video artifacts. Bring up the iceWM menu and only part of it shows. Run an Eterm and only part of the current typed line shows. Cursoring back over the text makes it show up. And additional strangeness.
00:07 <****> gimpy: just try that one
00:08 <****> gimpy: snapshot.debian.net
00:08 <****> gimpy: or try ^^^
00:08 <****> nvz: just change the order of the preferred access points... not that hard...
00:08 <****> gimpy: or look into your /var/cache/apt/archives/
00:08 <****> It seems to be less strange in gnome, but still not quite right.
00:08 <****> valdyn: he's the fourth guy I think I see with this problem recently
00:08 <****> wols: yes
00:08 <****> wols: and there's no bugreport about it yet
00:09 <****> fignew_: yes, and i told you go find what it is. i'm busy right now. look in /proc, irq interrupts, network, some runaway process, there's a number of things that can do this[D[D[D[D[D
00:09 <****> Normally it's fixed by the time I get around to filing a bug report.
00:09 <****> But it's been this way a couple weeks now.
00:09 <****> gimpy: its best if you install the most recent version before the faulty one and put that package on hold for now
00:09 <****> fignew_: sorry for the extra chars, laggy client
00:10 <****> gimpy: ( if that older package works then )
00:10 <****> 200MB behind in updates and none of the updates are xorg.
00:11 <****> i am having the weard thing ever
00:11 <****> weard
00:11 <****> valdyn: alright
00:11 <****> phogg: yes
00:11 <****> gimpy: umm and report a bug if you can
00:12 <****> gimpy: this cant be a hard to fix issue, but i'm not seeing a report yet
00:12 <****> yeah downgrading and purging hal-info fixed it
00:12 <****> ok simonrvn I'll grep through grub
00:12 <****> !hold
00:12 <****> hold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections' or use = in aptitude's curses interface. You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface. [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" because they require packages that are not currently (or tri
00:13 <****> gimpy: ^^^ if you dont know about it yet
00:13 <****> so what would I need to install to downgrade X? just the xserver-xorg-video-ati, or xserver-*
00:14 <****> !remove X
00:14 <****> In sarge: apt-get --purge remove xfree86-common In sid/etch: apt-get --purge remove x11-common
00:14 <****> Shadow_7: xserver*
00:14 <****> what is a good channel for SunOS
00:14 <****> dacs: #solaris ?
00:15 <****> simonrvn: could it be an apic problem?
00:15 <****> wols: thanks
00:15 <****> And what should I look for to identify the previous version of xorg. Since I have all versions since 11/01/2006 archived?
00:15 <****> fignew_: start low level yes
00:15 <****> Shadow_7: dpkg -l xserver-xorg
00:15 <****> dacs: try #opensolaris
00:16 <****> I mean for xserver-xorg-*****.deb packages.
00:16 <****> dacs: #solaris is full of trolls
00:16 <****> Shadow_7: yes
00:16 <****> I'm on dialup so it's not like they all got downloaded on the same date.
00:16 <****> h3sp4wn: mr. schilling?
00:17 <****> Odd. Upgrading a single package from lenny to sid actually solves a problem I've been having.
00:19 <****> wols: No idea who
00:19 <****> Anyone know of a standard list of spam ips and such that I can add to my postfix config to block connections for incoming?
00:20 <****> mikefoo: sbl-xbl.spamhaus.org
00:21 <****> i've never gotten a false reading from them
00:22 <****> lol simonrvn, I started very low level... the BIOS ;) turns out the CPU was in "compatibility mode"
00:22 <****> aah. well good. glad you found it
00:22 <****> my hint was that everything was running slow even bootloaders and what not :P
00:23 <****> "compatibility mode"?
00:23 <****> hey, can anyone tell me how to purge evolution user files?
00:23 <****> EruditeHermit: Mark for Complete Removal.

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