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03 November 2007

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--- Log opened Sat Nov 03 00:00:10 2007
00:00 <****> Alarm: if "apt-get install foo" wants to remove "bar", you can try "apt-get install foo bar", you can use it with --dry-run option first, etc
00:01 <****>&1 file?
00:01 <****> okie, good tip
00:01 <****> thanks
00:01 <****> Tramp: There was something like this.
00:01 <****> Alarm: and since you're using unstable, you should really know these things already
00:01 <****>file is the short form, iirc
00:02 <****> Tramp: cool, tnx
00:02 <****>bar however to distinguish between the two
00:08 <****> Tramp: Kamping_Kaiser: as far as I can tell from that, the firewall script is not run to the end : http://pastebin.com/d64f1086b
00:08 <****> The iptables section seems to be missing completely
00:10 <****> + L=
00:10 <****> humbolto, try running with just 'set -vx' (no e)
00:11 <****> how can i know how much fast a server is actually?
00:11 <****> ping ?
00:12 <****> icmp_seq=14 ttl=245 time=10.2 ms
00:12 <****> icmp_seq=14 ttl=245 time=143.2 ms
00:12 <****> reiser2, whats your actual question?
00:13 <****> with SSH it takes an increible time to send 100 files
00:13 <****> i want to know if a server is very slow
00:13 <****> Kamping_Kaiser: seems to go further now
00:13 <****> i have problems to send by ssh
00:13 <****> humbolto: sorry, but I don't grasp exactly what you are doing. Which scripts starts what?
00:13 <****> humbolto, the -e tells it to break when a function doesnt exist (iirc)
00:14 <****> It breaks when something exits with !0
00:14 <****> Tramp, that looks more like it, thanks :)
00:14 <****> Hey, I'm interested in using Debian, and I require GIMP 2.4, but 2.4 is only in Unstable, which is highly unrecommended for even power-users. Is Debian for me?
00:15 <****> ok, I have a ppp0 configured in network/interfaces. set to auto. when it comes up, it starts an ip-up script residing in ip-up.d that is: http://pastebin.com/d25e119bd
00:15 <****> Debian is good
00:15 <****> i use Gimp too
00:15 <****> this then starts /etc/asbo-xserver.fw the actual firewall script
00:15 <****> GIMP 2.4?
00:15 <****> raeth: you could check, if a backport exists
00:15 <****> humbolto, any reason why you start another script?
00:15 <****> so far it looks like, when I run the script by hand, it works. when I run ifup by hand it works either.
00:16 <****> yes
00:16 <****> hm, is it really that hard to implement limitation of download speed for certain protocols?
00:16 <****> Kamping_Kaiser: then
00:16 <****> Tramp: Ubuntu has GIMP 2.4 and GNOME 2.20 in the -stable-. Is Debian just as stable, or aren't there as many testers to bring it into stable/testing?
00:16 <****> "stable"
00:16 <****> i tried rtorrent and bittornado and they both ignore the global download limit
00:16 <****> raeth: Ubuntu has the latest Gnome release as one of their top release goals
00:16 <****> Kamping_Kaiser: Ubuntu doesn't crash for me, so can I expect Debian Unstable won't crash?
00:16 <****> raeth: Debian doesn't
00:17 <****> I want some debuging info written to some logs. And then the firewall script is produced by fwbuilder and overwritten anytime I change something.
00:17 <****> raeth: I'm not sure, but I think "stable" means different things in different distributions
00:17 <****> raeth: you tried all 20k Ubuntu packages, and none crashed?
00:17 <****> Tramp: Sure, but Unstable is highly unrecommended
00:18 <****> and as it shall only be executed when the etel ppp0 link comes up, but not when other ppp links come up, I need some magic for this in there.
00:18 <****> raeth: I was implying that what *buntu considers stable may not be what debian considers stable.
00:18 <****> so that is what the ip-up.d script is doing for me
00:18 <****> Kamping_Kaiser: all clear?
00:19 <****> Tramp: that sounds likely, but my logic goes like this: Ubuntu "stable" is equivilent to Debian "unstable", does that mean running Debian Unstable is no "worse" than running Ubuntu?
00:19 <****> humbolto, yeah. its 'if-up.d', btw
00:19 <****> do I need to run something after modifying /etc/exim4/conf.d/acl/30_exim4-config_check_rcpt (as well as restarting exim?)
00:20 <****> raeth, ubuntu stable *was* debian unstable.
00:20 <****> In other words, if I want GIMP 2.4 and GNOME 2.20, would you recommend Debian to me, or should I use Ubuntu
00:20 <****> raeth: if you want that now: use ubuntu
00:20 <****> raeth, do you want to use debian, or ubuntu?
00:20 <****> ;)
00:20 <****> Is www.debian-multimedia.org coming back?
00:20 <****> Kamping_Kaiser: you are wrong. It is if-up.d for the other interfaces but /etc/ppp/ip-up.d
00:21 <****> I want to use Debian, because Ubuntu modifies GNOME visually :)
00:21 <****> EmleyMoo1: it is not gone
00:21 <****> wols_: I can't resolve it
00:21 <****> humbolto, fair enough. *hasnt used dialup for years*
00:21 <****>
00:21 <****> EmleyMoo1: one of their DNS entries is fubar. for quite some time even
00:21 <****> Kamping_Kaiser: same for ppp (DSL)
00:21 <****> PPTP
00:21 <****> Austria
00:22 * Kamping_Kaiser has an external hardware router
00:22 <****> pptp isn't dsl
00:22 <****> wols_: Is there an equivalent which is unaffected?
00:22 <****> pptp is for vpns
00:23 <****> EmleyMoo1: dig debian-multimedia.org
00:23 <****> humbolto: slowly. You expect "/etc/asbo-xserver.fw" to be run, right? and it doesn't. Is that your problem?
00:23 <****> i need to know why the ssh access to a server is so slow ?
00:23 <****> I want GNOME 2.20 and GIMP 2.4 -now-, would you recommend Ubuntu over running Debian Unstable
00:23 <****> grrr
00:23 <****> raeth: yes. we don't recommend to run unstable
00:23 <****> Okay, thanks
00:23 <****> raeth: have you checked for a backport?
00:23 <****> Tramp: right
00:24 <****> Tramp: Where do I look?
00:24 <****> I have altered /etc/exim4/conf.d/acl/30_exim4-config_check_rcpt and run update-exim4.conf but /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated doesn't have the stuff I put in it there :S
00:24 <****> !backports
00:24 <****>
00:24 <****> raeth: that debian doesn't consider sid to be stable yet ubuntu does might tell you something, though.
00:25 <****> humbolto: ok. So it is executed, when you run the if-up-script you just pasted by hand, but not when you ifup the interface?
00:25 <****> Tramp: So if I wanted GNOME 2.20, I'd have to compile it all?
00:26 <****> raeth: if there ist no package, I think yes.
00:26 <****> some body hear
00:26 <****> ?
00:26 <****> gnome 2.20 is not in SID?
00:26 <****> Tramp: I came from Gentoo to get away from all the compiling, I think Ubuntu is more for me
00:26 <****> Tramp: It looks like, if I execute ifup ppp0 as root myself it works, but not when the system first boots.
00:27 <****> humbolto: hmm. ok. But you mentioned that this script is not static but created somehow - maybe it is not there on boot?
00:28 <****> JonkoPa: no

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