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16 October 2007

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--- Log opened Tue Oct 16 00:00:11 2007
--- Day changed Tue Oct 16 2007
00:00 <****> what's a zope
00:00 <****> So if $LD_LIBRARY_PATH is for libs and $PATH is for binaries, what do I use for my INCLUDE environment variable?
00:00 <****> peepsalot : it is a webserver made in python that manages every things as object in a database
00:00 <****> http://zope.org/
00:01 <****> peepsalot : we use zope because we use plone four our intranet
00:01 <****> I am trying to setup a user that exists but has no home directory - I have added the password and setup the directory
00:01 <****> home directory
00:02 <****> SiliconG : just don't write the -d option of adduser
00:03 <****> not certain to get what you want though
00:05 <****> DHX: I am not understanding the user is added the group is not - I am not sure what to do and in what order
00:05 <****> wow, receipt printers are a lot more expensive than I would have guessed.
00:05 <****> I love myself
00:06 <****> SiliconG : try to explain in plain english. what are you trying to do?
00:06 <****> ok
00:06 <****> SiliconG : use groupadd to create a group
00:07 <****> right that is the first thing - but there is no home directory - I just want to setup a user that can login to the server
00:08 <****> SiliconG : by 'login', what do you mean? connect via ssh?
00:08 <****> yes via ssh
00:08 <****> SiliconG then don't affect him to a particular group and don't precise the -d parameter of useradd
00:09 <****> so what do I do?
00:09 <****> 'affect him to'? what in the world does that mean? :)
00:09 <****> yea - I dont know what that means either
00:09 <****> SiliconG : just by creating a user account, you're done.
00:10 <****> SiliconG : by default that user will be in the default group, whatever it is on your system.
00:10 <****> but that user has no home directory
00:10 <****> SiliconG : and?
00:10 <****> ok
00:10 <****> is there some small printing device similar to a receipt printer that is very cheap? doesn't matter what size paper it prints to really
00:10 <****> is that something you want? is that a problem you're trying to solve? what?
00:11 <****> ananke: I have a problem: how to end world hunger
00:11 <****> rmaj : end the world. problem solved.
00:11 <****> well bush is already on it, I was more about option that saves lives
00:11 <****> birth control
00:12 <****> rmaj : hunger works like a delayed birth control
00:12 <****> actually this IS interesting
00:12 <****> ewps, i meant that to be a general statement :)
00:12 <****> the most natural coutries, with huge treets, roots, plants, animals... and people are starving wtf
00:13 <****> the most natural countries....
00:13 <****> nice
00:13 <****> maybe we ought to treat africa like a big reservation. we just observe, and do nothing. let the nature take its course...
00:14 <****> send them all to the moon, all the cheese they can eat.
00:15 <****> i agree with peepsalot
00:15 <****> heh perhaps there are some aliens out there, heving the same conversation about primitive race of humans ;)
00:16 <****> peepsalot: how cheap do you need the printer?
00:16 <****> hi
00:16 <****> under $50 ?
00:16 <****> whats a good computer to get
00:16 <****> these days
00:16 <****> under $500
00:16 <****> ananke, maybe they should have let nature take its course when you were born, and done nothing - just "observed"
00:16 <****> peepsalot: used inkjet?
00:16 <****> zfdaily: a toaster
00:16 <****> zfdaily : uhmm, get a dell.
00:16 <****> zfdaily: anything over 1.5 GHz / 512 ram is ok for genral usage
00:16 <****> Blindraven: Hey, they did a lot better before we came.
00:16 <****> dude dont get a dell
00:16 <****> why not dell
00:17 <****> Blindraven : 'they' did just that
00:17 <****> freeone3000, what do you mean by we?
00:17 <****> Blindraven: Nonafricans.
00:17 <****> I dont think they are good
00:17 <****> which linux OS is the speediest of the bunch
00:17 <****> Blindraven: Starting with the dang europeans.
00:17 <****> or are they like all the same
00:17 <****> zfdaily: It's the same kernel, so it's what's on top of that kernel that causes slowness.
00:17 <****> a few years ago i'd have said compaq. but it seems HP/compaq have killed quality.
00:17 <****> zfdaily: linux is a kernel, there is one, it is on kernel.org
00:17 <****> no
00:17 <****> i mean
00:17 <****> Acer's are reliable, if unimaginatve and ackward at times
00:17 <****> hp sucks also
00:17 <****> there is also debian/HURD but...
00:18 <****> Buy the parts and put it together?
00:18 <****> I would get a mac mini but that is just me
00:18 <****> lets say we have same services ( apache/mysq/bind ) across all flavors of linux , which one is the fastest
00:18 <****> freeone : if you have the spare time, yeah
00:18 <****> Acers are not durable
00:18 <****> hurd is not linux
00:18 <****> hi guys, how can i set it up so if a ip tries more then 10 pageviews per second i can get a e-mail rather then a denial? (i want to do some tests and see if legit sources get hit before putting it up)
00:18 <****> any benchmarks out there?
00:18 <****> gregarei: you dont say
00:18 <****> is this for desktop or laptop?
00:18 <****> zfdaily : hah. a ton. and none you can really trust
00:18 <****> zfdaily: If it's running the same software on the same hardware it'll be the same speed.
00:18 <****> zfdaily, nbench
00:18 <****> savetheWorld, do they come in small sizes? i said paper size doesn't matter, but I meant like exact size doesn't matter, still needs to be smaller than a standard 8.5x11
00:18 <****> infact, it is the counter-spawn of linux
00:18 <****> zfdaily : seriously, you won't see much of a 'speed' difference between distributions
00:18 <****> receipt size or smaller i guess
00:19 <****> http://www.google.com/products?q=%22receipt+printer%22&btnG=Search+Products&scoring=p scroll down
00:19 <****> zfdaily : maybe (maybe) the distros compiled for pentiums or better will be faster
00:19 <****> zfdaily: The main thing for speed would be compiling all of your apps yourself and tuning them. Gentoo makes this easier. (Note that's compiling ALL of your apps.)
00:20 <****> zfdaily: But really, you won't gain enough to notice under most conditions.
00:20 <****> and at the end of the day, you'll gain 5% performance increase, in exchange for two weeks of work
00:20 <****> i mean in heavy load
00:20 <****> like a very high traffic site
00:20 <****> which OS would be the most stable
00:20 <****> i heard a lot of bad things about redhat

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