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29 December 2007

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--- Log opened Sat Dec 29 00:00:56 2007
00:11 <****> im trying to install bitpim
00:13 <****> I am looking for a program to transfer data from a suse 10.2 system to a vista wirelss notebook over my network how do I do this ?
00:13 <****> i just switched to suse yesterday, and i LOVE everything but yast2, it's so slow, and i just don't like it. any thoughts on something else? an alternative, or how to make this faster?
00:14 <****> barnes: you probably mean "yast2's package management"
00:15 <****> has anyone had any luck instaLLING BITPIM in suse 10.3 ?
00:16 <****> vittotio: you'll be looking for samba
00:16 <****> yaloki: yes
00:17 <****> barnes: have a look at smart, maybe you'll prefer it to yast2's
00:17 <****> yaloki: so any ideas?
00:17 <****> thanks aerosol
00:17 <****> !smart-103 @ barnes
00:17 <****> barnes: Quick instructions for adding the latest smart and repositories on openSUSE 10.3: http://dev-loki.blogspot.com/2007/10/smart-on-opensuse-103.html
00:17 <****> yaloki: already installed?
00:17 <****> barnes: yes, I maintain the smart package on the OBS and contributed patches
00:17 <****> barnes: I'm using it on a daily basis since about 2 years, which means I'm biased ;)
00:18 <****> yaloki: so is it "faster" than yast2?
00:18 <****> barnes: but give it a shot, it won't break anything, you can even have smart and yast side-by-side and use both
00:18 <****> barnes: yes, it is
00:18 <****> barnes: especially smart --shell
00:18 <****> yaloki: even downloading, because i'm realizing that yast even takes a long time to download stuff, like 30 minutes for 50mb, when that took about 2 minutes in ubuntu using apt
00:18 <****> barnes: if you're looking for a GUI, yast is prolly better, but if you prefer something faster that works on a shell, smart is better
00:19 <****> yaloki: but what is smart --shell, cli?
00:19 <****> barnes: that's hardly yast's fault
00:19 <****> because i'm wishing that yast had better shell support.
00:19 <****> barnes: yes, it's an embedded shell mode of smart, with completion on package names, etc..
00:19 <****> barnes: sounds like smart is something for you then
00:19 <****> yaloki: great! so what does zypper sa do?
00:19 <****> yaloki: smart is better than zypper?
00:19 <****> zypper isn't of much use atm
00:19 <****> Fartash: totally
00:20 <****> barnes: sa=="service add", it adds a repository
00:20 <****> yaloki: oh, gotcha. so will yast use suse's normal repos?
00:20 <****> but I'd say: just try it and see for yourself, it's also a matter of taste I guess
00:20 <****> barnes: "normal repos" = ?
00:20 <****> barnes: it will use whatever URL you feed it with
00:20 <****> any cool solutions to make a launcher that will start Yast installation in a terminal?
00:21 <****> yaloki: ok, so tell's me this, where can i find yast's source's list? like, the repos list?
00:21 <****> esolli: "yast installation" ? you mean package management ?
00:21 <****> barnes: /etc/zypp/repos.d/
00:21 <****> yes
00:21 <****> esolli: yast sw_single
00:21 <****> yaloki: so i can take that and place the repos in the smart place? which is???
00:22 <****> barnes: not quite
00:22 <****> !smart-103 @ barnes
00:22 <****> barnes: Quick instructions for adding the latest smart and repositories on openSUSE 10.3: http://dev-loki.blogspot.com/2007/10/smart-on-opensuse-103.html
00:22 <****> yaloki, that's be the command to put in the launcher?
00:22 <****> barnes: just do as on the URL above, will add most repos you'd need anyway
00:22 <****> esolli: you want to create a .desktop file from a shell ?
00:22 <****> esolli: can't you create it from KDE or GNOME ?
00:22 <****> yaloki, sorry, i am not good explaining...
00:23 <****> create launcher
00:23 <****> i cant see a add and remove software in yast on suse 10.3 is it still there ?
00:23 <****> yaloki: what i mean...will the repos that suse 10.3 uses, yast, also be used/compatible with smart?
00:23 <****> but instead of opening the gui of Yast package management, it opens it in a terminal
00:23 <****> Sinister: yes, "software management"
00:23 <****> barnes: they keep separate lists of repositories
00:24 <****> Hi I was wondering is the aty128fb module in xorg?
00:24 <****> yaloki: yes...but i want the same repos, can i do that?
00:24 <****> esolli: ok, and you want it to open in graphical mode ?
00:24 <****> barnes, yes
00:24 <****> barnes: for repo in /etc/zypp/repos.d/*.repo; do smart channel --add "$repo" --yes; done
00:24 <****> i want the launcher to open a terminal which shows Yast package management, as if i wrote "yast" in the terminal... do you understand yaloki?
00:25 <****> esolli: no, I don't see where the problem is
00:25 <****> yaloki: smart is better than zypper?
00:25 <****> Fartash: again, yes, it is
00:25 <****> yaloki: alright, thanks
00:25 <****> hmm
00:25 <****> barnes: but just do as on the URL I gave you above
00:25 <****> sorry I was disconnected
00:25 <****> esolli: you want yast to open in graphical mode ?
00:25 <****> yaloki, if you write "yast" in a terminal, you know what you'll get right?
00:25 <****> esolli: yes, ncurses mode
00:26 <****> yes, how can i make a launcher on my desktop that opens the same interface?
00:26 <****> yaloki: ok, will as soon as yast gets finished downloading crap that is taking forever
00:26 <****> if you type "yast2" you get graphical (qt) mode
00:26 <****> i want to point yast to a rpm i have on my desk top i dont see how to do that in software management
00:26 <****> esolli: just tell gnome it's a terminal application -- if gnome can't do that, switch to a more capable desktop environment like KDE
00:26 <****> yaloki, yes, but if i write "yast" i get it nc curses
00:26 <****> how do i tell gnome?
00:27 <****> Sinister: you can't AFAIK, but you could use zypper I think, zypper in ~/Desktop/file.rpm
00:27 <****> esolli: write "yast2" instead of "yast"
00:29 <****> yaloki, if i put this in the launcher path "/sbin/yast2 --install" i get gui, what can i put to get a terminal opening and show the non-graphical version?
00:30 <****> esolli: /sbin/yast --install
00:30 <****> esolli: "yast" _always_ opens in non-graphical moe
00:30 <****> esolli: "yast2" tries in graphical and falls back to non-graphical
00:30 <****> zypper install /home/ballzee/Desktop/bitpim-1.0.3-0.i386.rpm says no such file
00:30 <****> oh well
00:31 <****> Sinister: try with yast2 -i ...
00:31 <****> yaloki: just curious, what is zypper? is it also package management?
00:31 <****> yaloki, it opened the graphical with yast2, and nothing with yast only, i need to make it understand that it's a terminal-app
00:31 <****> barnes: yes, it's the CLI frontend
00:31 <****> for????
00:31 <****> barnes: but it didn't get much love yet in 10.3
00:31 <****> barnes: for package management
00:32 <****> yaloki: ok....
00:32 <****> yes
00:32 <****> oops, wrong window
00:32 <****> esolli: tell GNOME it is a terminal app when you create the "launcher", there is prolly some option (maybe in an advanced tab or something), I don't use GNOME, I have no idea where they've hidden it
00:32 <****> esolli: or just edit the .desktop file you've created (that's the "launcher") and add a line "Terminal=yes"

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